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Fossilized animals found in Karoo Formation larger than a cow!

OK this is not exactly breaking news but I believe that to quite a few evolutionists, it just may be, and maybe even a few universities, where the document in question has been posted!

During my investigation I ran across a site listing Six "Flood" arguments that Creationists supposedly can't answer. Well not all Creationists subscribe to the views they were disputing, but as usual that doesn't stop these evolutionists publishing such stuff. One of the arguments that struck me as rather novel was the problem of too many animals. It used a rather fascinating quotation mentioning an estimate for the approximate number of fossilized animals in the Karoo Formation.

The evolutionist, Robert J. Schadewald, did a fascinating simple calculation using the estimate to determine a vast number of animals per acre that must have been living at the time of the Flood. His calculation was no doubt a bit dodgy and I reply in kind with my own similar dodgy calculation using the same Karoo estimate to obtain an unrealistic amount of dinosaurs living during the Jurassic period. You can read that in my Too Many Dinosaurs page.

Anyway, evolutionists have been lambasting creationists with this calculation for nearly well on 40 years so far. But I noticed something curious about that quotation. It gives the range of fossilized animals in the Karoo Formation as from the size of a small lizard to the size of a cow.

"Robert E. Sloan, a paleontologist at the University of Minnesota, has studied the Karroo Formation. He told me that the animals fossilized there range from the size of a small lizard to the size of a cow, with the average animal perhaps the size of a fox."

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So there should be no fossils there larger than a cow. At least, according to the evolutionists and scientists who are using this quote in their documents against creationists. Also, the time range for the Karoo Formation is given as follows:

The Karoo Supergroup is the most widespread stratigraphic unit in Africa south of the Kalahari Desert. The supergroup consists of a sequence of units, mostly of nonmarine origin, deposited between the Late Carboniferous and Early Jurassic, a period of about 120 million years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karoo_Supergroup

The Early Jurassic? I thought it a bit hard to believe that all the dinosaurs from this period could be no larger than a cow. So I decided to look and see what I could find. And I did find a few that were larger. I only needed a couple. The Ledumahadi and Dracovenator found in the Karoo will suffice. The approximate dimensions and weight for a dairy cow are 1.8 m high, 2.6 m long and 907 kg weight.

Karoo dinosaur
Ledumahadi
Early Jurassic: 200-195 Ma*
Weight: 12 tonnes
Length: 9 m

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* Million years ago.

Well that's a little bit bigger than a cow! And the other?

Karoo dinosaur
Dracovenator
Early Jurassic: 201-199 Ma
Weight: 400 kg
Length: 7 m

Image:Dracovenator

Note: the approximate height for the dracovenator from the pic would be about 3.7 m. By these dimensions it would be about 5½ times the size of a cow. And if we allow the width to be double also, it could easily be 10 times the size of a cow!

So again we have been able to find something that the evolutionists just did not have right. Sure it's a minor point but they were way off on this one. And though it has no impact on Schadewald's dodgy calculation, it does leave the question, just what else are the evolutionists way off on?

And will the universities and scientists who have published any document with this quote make a simple amendment on the size of the fossilized animals?

I wouldn't hold my breath.


REFERENCES

Ledumahadi
Temporal range: Hettangian-Sinemurian, 200-195 Ma Ledumahadi (meaning "a giant thunderclap" in Sesotho language) is a genus of lessemsaurid sauropodomorph dinosaur from the Early Jurassic Elliot Formation in Free State Province, South Africa. The type and only species is L. mafube, known from a singular incomplete postcranial specimen. A quadruped, it was one of the first giant sauropodomorphs, reaching a weight of around 12 tonnes (26,000 lb), despite not having evolved columnar limbs like its later huge relatives.

At its time in the Early Jurassic epoch, Ledumahadi is thought to have been the largest land animal that had ever lived. It is estimated to have reached a maximum size of around 12 tonnes (26,000 lb) in weight;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ledumahadi

The largest known dinosaur of its kind, Ledumahadi weighed over 13 tons (12 metric tons), and reconstructions estimate that it grew over 30 feet (9 meters) long!
https://carnegiemnh.org/mesozoic-monthly-ledumahadi/

Dracovenator
Temporal range: Early Jurassic, 201-199 Ma
Dracovenator is a genus of dilophosaurid theropod dinosaur that lived approximately 201 to 199 million years ago during the early part of the Jurassic Period in what is now South Africa. Dracovenator was a medium-sized, moderately-built, ground-dwelling, bipedal carnivore, that could grow up to an estimated 7 m (23.0 ft) long. Its type specimen was based on only a partial skull that was recovered.

Dracovenator is estimated to have measured between 5.5 and 6.5 meters (18 and 21 ft) in length. Others estimates suggest that Dracovenator was at most 7 m (23 ft) long and weighed 400 kilograms (882 pounds).

The type material BP/1/5243 for Dracovenator was discovered at the "Upper Drumbo Farm" locality in the upper Elliot Formation which is part of the Stormberg Group in Eastern Cape Province, South Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracovenator

The Elliot Formation is a geological formation and forms part of the Stormberg Group, the uppermost geological group that comprises the greater Karoo Supergroup.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliot_Formation

Average cow dimensions:
https://www.dimensions.com/element/dairy-cows

Pics:

Cow
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:201409_cow.svg
Author: DBCLS TV, Sebastian Wallroth
This file is made available under the Creative Commons CC0 1.0 Universal Public Domain Dedication
Public domain

Ledumahadi
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ledumahadi_NT.jpg
Attribution: Nobu Tamura
This file is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license.

Dracovenator
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dracovenator_regenti.jpg
Attribution: Antonio Rares Mihaila
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